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MensajePublicado: Sab Feb 26, 2011 12:42 am    Asunto:  FCI Breed standard 2011, a review. Responder citando

Hello everybody,


Well now I share with all of you the sad news that once again the breed standard for the xolo has been modified. Actually, most changes are not very relevant, except for the fact that coated xolo is now included in the disqualifying faults list.

The first thing I want to express about the situation is that the breed standard of our breed has been conceived from a very ignorant perspective due to the fact that in a first moment the pioneers of the breed lacked the modern knowledge about genetics that now we have. This is partially understandable, but later, other generations of breeders took the torch and sadly, most of these persons simply lacked or still lack enough cynological education. Basically, there has been a period which resembles to me the Middle Ages, where a small group of persons, not to say a specific couple, took the breed club and propagated all false information about the breed. And sadly, right now, many breeders and owners stay misinformed or reluctant to embrace the new scientific truth about the breed as consequence of decades of wrong learning.

I have seen with great happiness the way in which the internet has joined the xolo people from all around the world. Specifically, right now a very well known social network has called major attention. There, what I see is a constant exchange of information and pictures, being the main attitude to be polite to each other. I think that all xolos are very nice pets and that all owners feel very happy and proud of showing their dogs, their lifes and even to brag a little. All this is ok, but this will not solve any of the major issues that affect our beloved breed. Some issues might be thorny because there are many points of view, and this is why I decided to write this in a discussion forum and not in the much lighter media that the social network is. Also the discussion forum is more permanent than the volatile format of the social networks.

I also think that it is unfair to just judge a situation without giving reasoned arguments about our posture. I will say that a breed standard is supposed to be an IDEAL GOAL...it is not the plain description of how a given population of dogs simply is. In this sense, some of the best designed breed standards are those of the English breeds, where, of course, all this began. A breed standard should describe the attributes that we want to get. By elementary Logics all that is not mentioned as desirable is undesirable. Following this thought, the well designed breed standards are quite simple, concise and clear. Because of the very simple reason of ignoring this basic principle, the xolo breed standard has become a too complex text, where many descriptions are superfluos and many phrases or paragraphs become contradictory. An example of superfluous description is detailing the fact that some xolos have spots on the tongue and some do not. Unless we should select towards spotted tongue or towards tongues without such spots, this issue is irrelevant. Simplicity in a breed standard also implies that all that is not mentioned as penalty is allowed. Saying nothing about the spots, implies that they can be present or not, just as the breed standard, unnecessarilly states.

Following this argument, the text became so complex that it "escaped" the (very limited) literary skills of the writers. It is so sad that the text cannot resist any logical or coherence analysis...it is plagued with Grammar and Logics mistakes. Such critiques have already been done, for example by our very methodical Russian friends, so I will not extend too much in this point.

However, right now, there is a HUGE incoherence in the latest version. The goal of showing is to point out which dogs are closer to the breed standard and therefore, which dogs should preferably be bred. This is A B C of cynology...but this is astonishingly forgotten by the new breed standard design. The correct sense of "DISQUALIFICATIONS" is to mention traits which are so undesirable that dogs carrying them should be eliminated form any breeding program. So, how is it possible that the breed standard, at the same time, allows coated for breeding, but also mentions coated as disqualification fault? Even more, how is it possible that coated as thouroughly as it is described, is not allowed to be shown, becoming deprived of any possibility of being selected through the powerful tool of evaluation by the judges? This in fact causes great damage to the breed in those countries where some minimal show mark is required to breed a dog. It simply seems that the changes are meant to avoid coateds to be put in the rings, all done in the least convenient way from any possible angle that we analyze from.

Another extremely unwise change is to insist in the same size ranges, both for males and females. If from the beginning, the breed is classified as PRIMITIVE, this automatically implies that sexual dimoprhism is present as it is in any primitive breed. Therefore, males should be slightly taller than females. Once again, basic knowledge. So, as things are, if we will deffend the right of a female as tall as 60 or 62 cm, then we should equally accept a standard male as small as 46 cm. And talking about size, there we have the absolutely subjective phrase telling that only high quality xolos can aspire to the plus 2 cm tolerance.....High quality according to who? The breeder who will decide to present such a dog, or the judge, who could simply disqualify a too tall dog because that dog does not fulfill the condition of being top quality? or maybe that could be decided by our nextdoor neighbor, just because?

I think I could go on analyzing many other weak points of our current breed standard, which in my view needs to be re-written from the beginning, but of course, mantaining the essence of what xolo SHOULD BE. It is sad, but coated is not standardized, it is just described: any coat, any color, any position of ears....We also have drop eared hairless and prognatic hairless and those which are hairy hairless and those who have this or that undesirable trait....but they are not allowed by the mere fact of their existence as happens with coateds. Actually, we all know that primitive tropical should have short hair and erect ears...just as the AKC breed standard already decided....NOT because all coateds in USA are like this...instead, because this is what should be aimed for. Of course we needed and maybe still need time to see what genetics our lines carry in the coated branch...but eventually, a guideline should be established, and the sooner, the better.

I have read that some persons have claimed to stop supporting the coated puppy killers. This is a radical posture, but in some way there is some reason beneath such apparently unfriendly proposal. Just as we should not support companies that produce pollution of our ecosystem, we should try to press for change for good towards the correct essence of our DUAL breed. Culling is a normal practice in many breeds, when the traits intended to be eliminated can 1. Actually be eliminated, or at least incidence can be diminished and 2. Such traits are not desirable. These conditions do not apply to coateds because there is no way to reduce incidence and the loss of the coated variety was never supposed to be a goal, although due to ignorance, such ilogical premise has been stated for decades. Now we know that the main form of the breed is the coated, which also presents a mutated version which is the hairless. Also, coateds are totally functional and healthy dogs, not freaks. Then why in the first part of the breed standard it is stated that the hairless X hairless mating is preferred because that will produce less coateds??? It has no sense...well maybe some might argue that coateds are undesirable because the breeder cannot sell those...but why? Just because they are not allowed to show under FCI...Just as many persons like hairless others do not, but could happily be pleased with a coated xolo....so changing in favor of coateds even promotes happy endings for breeders, puppies and families.

Anyone who knows me already know that I do not share the ill-extreme nationalistic attitude seen in some Mexican xolo persons. Instead I do think that the xolo breed is now concern of people from around the world. Indeed, due to the FCI rules, the xolo breed standard can only be changed from Mexico....it is a Mexican right...but I also think that what some Mexicans forget is that together with rights we also acquire obligations and part of these obligations is to monitor and listen to all breeders around the world. The coated xolo is vastly welcome in the world, this new measure against them is seen and felt with great grief by most breeders, also by many in Mexico. Maybe it is moment to all join and discuss what we want for the breed. It is not possible to leave all power of decission in just a few hands. Some way of organized international response should be created and expressed, both to FCI and to FCM....NOT to ignore Mexican rights in the situation, instead to help Mexicans to fulfill the obligations generated together with the rights...at least I see it like this.

What do others think????

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MensajePublicado: Sab Feb 26, 2011 7:50 pm    Asunto:   Responder citando

SON MUCHOS LOS PUNTOS QUE MARCO TOMA EN CUENTA EN SU OPINION ACERCA DE LAS GRANDIOSAS MODIFICACIONES QUE SE LE HAN HECHO AL TAN CONTROVERTIDO, POR AÑOS, ESTANDAR RACIAL DEL XOLOITZCUINTLE. DESAFORTUNADAMENTE, COMO SIEMPRE HA PASADO EN EL MUNDO DEL XOLOITZCUINTLE, EL DESTINO DE LA RAZA ES MANEJADO POR UN PEQUEÑO GRUPO DE GENTES QUE A PESAR DEL PASO DE LOS AÑOS, SOLO HAN DEMOSTRADO QUE SU IGNORONCIA PUEDE CRECER CADA DÍA MAS.
HACE UN PAR DE AÑOS EMOCIONADOS MUCHOS ESTUVIMOS AL VER LA ACEPTACIÓN AL ESTANDAR RACIAL DE LA VARIEDAD CON PELO, SIN EMBARGO, COMO BIEN LO MENCIONA MARCO, SOLO ES UNA PEQUEÑA MENCIÓN DE LA VARIEDAD Y ESO SÍ, RESTRINGIENDO EL REGISTRO EN ALGUNAS CIRCUNSTANCIAS, LA EXIBICIÓN, ASI COMO LA REPRODUCCIÓN DE LOS MÍSMOS.
LAS CONTRADICCIONES QUE MARCA EN EL TAMAÑO, ¿COMO TE ACEPTO UN ERROR, TAMAÑO, SI ERES DE CALIDAD? A MI FORMA DE VER LAS COSAS, SI ESTA EXCEDIDO DE TAMAÑO, NO ES DE ALTA CALIDAD, Y POR LO TANTO NO APTO. OBVIO QUE SÍ SE PUEDE REPRODUCIR CON PERROS O PERRAS PEQUEÑAS PARA DISMINUIR EN ESTE CASO LA TALLA, PERO TAMBIEN ES CIERTO QUE AL INTRODUCIR ESTOS EJEMPLARES A LOS PLANES DE CRIANZA, YA ENTRÓ LA TALLA EXTRAGRANDE AL CONTENIDO GENETICO DE LA POBLACIÓN. ESO SOLO ES UN GRAN PRETEXTO PARA PROTEGER A UN PUÑADO PEQUEÑO.
POR ÚLTIMO, YA HASTA DA RISA EL VER COMO RENIEGAN PARA TODO AL XOLO CON PELO, SIENDO ÉSTE EL PERRO ORIGINAL, EL QUE DEBERIA SER EL MODELO A SEGUIR, EN EL QUE TRABAJANDO SOBRE ÉL SE MEJORARIA SU PAREJA SIN PELO, PORQUE ES SOBRE ELLOS EN LOS QUE SE PODRIAM FIJAR LOS FENOTIPOS DE COLOR DE PELO, LARGO Y LEVANTADO DE OREJAS, EL LOGRAR UN PATRON UNIFORME EN ESTAS CARACTERÍSTICAS EN ÉSTA VARIEDAD EN AUTOMATICO Y SIN PROBLEMAS PASARIÁN AL LA VARIEDAD SIN PELO.
LO QUE DEBERIAMOS HACER COMO CRIADORES, PROPIETARIOS O ADMIRADORES DE LA RAZA ES LO QUE SIEMPRE SE HA HECHO, PERO AHORA HACERLO CON MAS FUERZA, SALIR CON TUS PERROS, Y HABLAR DE LA VARIEDAD CON PELO TAL Y COMO ES, LO NATURAL. LOS QUE ESTAN INSCRITOS EL LA GLORIOSA FCM, TAL VEZ REDACTAR OOOTRA CARTA PARA QUE SE PIDAN UN ESTANDAR JUSTO PARA EL XOLO.
SALUDOS.

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MensajePublicado: Dom Feb 27, 2011 1:48 am    Asunto:  Re: Responder citando

Hola a todos

Permítanme decir que lo que hicieron es una abominación.
Invito a quienes participan a dog show llevar sólo Xolo cabelludo.

Una protesta pacífica contra la ignorancia

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MensajePublicado: Jue Mar 03, 2011 8:16 pm    Asunto:   Responder citando

Estimados amigos: Consciente como he estado por algunos días de esta modificación en el standard, tomé la decisión de esperar un poco para expresar (de nuevo) mi firme opinión sobre este asunto. Para escribir es mejor pensar con la cabeza fresca.

Hay personas a las que sólo hay que permitirles ser "ellos mismos" para que demuestren su verdadera naturaleza vil, ruin y miserable. Es el caso de quienes han redactado estas nuevas modificaciones a un standard por demás insustancial y retorcido, lleno de frases inútiles que nos marean a fuerza de no decir nada, fiel reflejo de las personalidades que se erigen tras sus letras. En cada error yo ya no puedo ver ignorancia sino maldad, avaricia, egoísmo... y unas cuantas cosas más que por decencia no enumero. Ya el parabán del desconocimiento o la crasa ignorancia no puede movernos hacia la piedad por estas personas, porque mientras más "ellos mismos" son, más exhiben la grosera trama de sus intenciones. Así son, querimos amigos, las "autoridades" con las que tenemos que vernos, a las que les permitimos, con el pago de nuestras cuotas y con nuestra inercia, tomar esta clase de miserables decisiones en contra de la raza que amamos. Y si, escribo bien, EN CONTRA del xolo, así fueron incluidas estas modificaciones al standard.

Ahora, me pregunto: ¿hasta cuándo pensamos permitirlo? ¿Qué nadie ha escuchado aquella inteligente máxima que nos enseña que para que la iniquidad triunfe sólo hace falta que el justo no haga nada? ¿Hemos de seguir profesando apego a quienes muestran esta cara tan amarga de México al mundo del xolo y perjudican a nuestra raza? ¿Hemos de seguir pagándole a quienes malogran cualquier esfuerzo por unificar y perfeccionar nuestra crianza y a nuestros xolos? ¿Que no hemos comprendido que el único método de presión que éstos comprenden es precisamente EL DINERO? La idea de Adrián y Cinzia es genial, continuar exhibiendo a nuestros peludos y pasearlos con orgullo, brindando la información correcta a manos llenas tanto como podamos, y presentarse a cualquier evento sólo con xolos peludos como protesta pacífica. Pero la realidad es que, en el fondo, el perro sólo por dinero baila. Ahí se los dejo de tarea.

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Dear friends: Aware as I have been for some days of this standard modification, I decided to wait a little bit to express (again) my strong opinion about this matter. To write is better to be light headed.

There are people who only need to "be themselves" to show their true despicable, ignoble nature. This is the case of whom have written these new modifications to an already insubstantial and twisted standard, full of useless remarks saying nothing concrete, a faithful reflect of the writers' personalities crawling behind the letters. In every mistake I can't see ignorance anymore, but malice, greed, rapacity, selfishness... and some other things I do not mention in the sake of dignity. The alibi of the ignorance can't make us feel pity for them anymore, because the more "themselves" they are, the more they show their mean intentions. This is how they are, my friends, the "authorities" whom we must deal with, to whom we allow, by paying our memberships and show fees and with our passiveness, to take these kind of mean decisions against the breed we love. And yes, I do write well, AGAINST xolos, this is how these modifications were added to the standard.

Now, I wonder how much we will let them do it?? Haven't you heard the wise saying that all the iniquity needs to prevail is that fair men does nothing?? Do we must be attached forever to whom show this despicable face of Mexico to the whole xolo world and damage our breed?? Do we must keep on spending our money on those who ruin our efforts to unify and perfect our breeding and our xolos?? Haven't we still understood that the one and only way to push it is though THE MONEY??? Adrian and Cinzia's idea is great, keep on walking proudly our coateds, giving the right information as much as we can, and going to any show with only coateds as pacific resistance. But the truth is that, bottom line, money talks. Think about it.

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MensajePublicado: Jue Mar 03, 2011 9:09 pm    Asunto:   Responder citando

Queridísima Jess,

Primero que nada, es un gusto leer tu estilo tan vivaz en extenso y esplendor. Ya me imagino lo que tuviste que respirar para escribir con la cabeza fría sobre este tema, y es que en verdad es muy triste ver que el avance logrado en favor del xolo con pelo se ha topado con un obstáculo imprevisto.

Al parecer, parte de esta súbita decisión se motivó por la cercanía de la Mundial Canina en París, que además es la celebración del centenario de la FCI. Pues bien, como es ampliamente conocido, en Francia los xolos con pelo pueden (o podían...) ser exhibidos y premiados, razón por la cual se había establecido que la Mundial de París sería la primera Mundial donde los xolos con pelo pisarían pista. Pues bien...entre los conservadores mexicanos no hubo quien puso un grito en el cielo y alertó sobre esto...entonces, ahora resulta que se está "defendiendo a la raza"en contra de su propia naturaleza, que es la dualidad, como en contra de decisiones tomadas por gente que no es "nacional"...o sea pura estullticia destilada y concentrada. Así que como dices,basta con observar y algunas actitudes revelan la verdadera personalidad de la gente...

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MensajePublicado: Dom Mar 20, 2011 3:44 pm    Asunto:  Comentario. Responder citando

Hola a todos:

En verdad da pena esta modificación al estándar racial. Negar de esta manera la dualidad de la raza es plena ignorancia o interés mezquino.

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MensajePublicado: Lun Mar 21, 2011 9:13 am    Asunto:  Re: Comentario. Responder citando

Hola

Por favor, donde puedo leer el nuevo estándar racial?

No lo encontro


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MensajePublicado: Lun Mar 21, 2011 11:08 am    Asunto:  Respuesta. Responder citando

Hola Cinzia:

Aquí puedes bajar el nuevo estándar:

http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/234g05-es.doc

Las modificaciones están resaltadas con "negritas".

Saludos hasta Italia. pardon

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MensajePublicado: Jue Mar 31, 2011 3:42 am    Asunto:   Responder citando

Thanks for your message Marco.
I heard that the breed standard of the Xolo was due to change again so I searched here for the insides. I'm sort of flabbergasted Shocked This is a huge step back for the Xolo.
I don't have time to write a long message now but I'll promise to do that later.
I understood that they're still talking with the standard commision of FCI about this. Maybe there are some people geneticly more wise then the people that want these changes.
It should be a happy year for all Peruvian hairless breeders and lovers because they were about to change the standard too in accepting the coated ones. But now, maybe because of this it will take longer or ... ?

I hope people will see we need those beautiful coated ones for our breeds and there's no need to be afraid of being open about these ones.

Maybe the change is not yet acceptated because of the incoherence in this standard. Permitting breeding but mentioning it as a disqualification should be not possible....

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MensajePublicado: Jue Mar 31, 2011 8:16 am    Asunto:   Responder citando

Hello Sirene,

Yes it is a huge step backwards and we all wish this is corrected soon. I think that the Peruvian breed should be managed in an independent way. When I was in Peru I knew that KCP was taking coateds into the register....so it seems Peruvian breed might evolve properly soon. Maybe even faster than xolo :-(

We knew about the changes because they are already published at the FCI webpage, so for now they are official as incoherent as they are...maybe and hopefully discussion about this still goes on within FCI breed standards comission.

Do you know if coated Peruvian will be shown at WDS Paris?

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MensajePublicado: Sab Abr 02, 2011 12:59 am    Asunto:   Responder citando

Dear Sirene, thanks a lot for your comment. It's very important to have the whole international community pushing for the full recognition of coated xolos and Peruvians. I still can't believe this is for real. I hope FCI makes the right move ruling this nonsense. Sometimes interventions are a must.

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